Discussion:
Seti is back
Rodney Pont
2010-12-08 09:26:51 UTC
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Seti is generating new workunits. According to the web status page it's
generating 13 a minute. The clients normally run about 3 million so
there is some time needed for everyone to get what they want, about 3
days according to my maths.
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WD Loughman
2010-12-08 09:44:16 UTC
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Post by Rodney Pont
Seti is generating new workunits. According to the web status page it's
generating 13 a minute. The clients normally run about 3 million so
there is some time needed for everyone to get what they want, about 3
days according to my maths.
Hmmm. I can hope, I guess:
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2010-12-08 01:38:55 [***@home] Sending scheduler request to
http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi
2010-12-08 01:38:55 [***@home] Reason: To fetch work
2010-12-08 01:38:55 [***@home] Requesting 518400 seconds of new work
2010-12-08 01:39:00 [***@home] Scheduler request succeeded
2010-12-08 01:39:00 [***@home] Message from server: Project has no
tasks available
2010-12-08 01:39:00 [***@home] No work from project
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Rodney Pont
2010-12-08 09:52:16 UTC
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Post by WD Loughman
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http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi
tasks available
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I got 4 just before I posted my message but I've just checked again and
I have got another 29 :-)
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WD Loughman
2010-12-08 10:00:46 UTC
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Post by Rodney Pont
Post by WD Loughman
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http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi
tasks available
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I got 4 just before I posted my message but I've just checked again and
I have got another 29 :-)
Oh, oh you *bragger*, you. ;)

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WD Loughman
2010-12-08 10:29:54 UTC
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[ snip ]
Post by WD Loughman
Oh, oh you *bragger*, you. ;)
Then, oh *then* _I got two WU's!_ Oh _frabjous_ Joy!

But...
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2010-12-08 02:17:33 [***@home] Sending scheduler request to
http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi
2010-12-08 02:17:33 [***@home] Reason: To fetch work
2010-12-08 02:17:33 [***@home] Requesting 518400 seconds of new work,
and reporting 2 completed tasks
2010-12-08 02:17:38 [***@home] Scheduler request succeeded
2010-12-08 02:17:38 [***@home] Message from server: Not sending work -
last request too recent: 184 sec
2010-12-08 02:17:38 [***@home] No work from project
2010-12-08 02:22:43 [***@home] Sending scheduler request to
http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi
2010-12-08 02:22:43 [***@home] Reason: To fetch work
2010-12-08 02:22:43 [***@home] Requesting 518400 seconds of new work
2010-12-08 02:22:48 [***@home] Scheduler request succeeded
2010-12-08 02:22:48 [***@home] Message from server: Project has no
tasks available
2010-12-08 02:22:48 [***@home] No work from project
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<sob!>... (what's a poor guy to do?)

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Rodney Pont
2010-12-08 10:39:11 UTC
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Post by WD Loughman
<sob!>... (what's a poor guy to do?)
Patience, they'll come...

It's generating 19 per second now, not per minute as I said before.
Still 3 days to catch up since I did use per second to calculate them
but at 19 per second instead of 13 it's only 2 days :-)
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WD Loughman
2010-12-09 00:17:05 UTC
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[ snip ]

...a bunch of stuff, *way* too soon!!
Post by WD Loughman
<sob!>... (what's a poor guy to do?)
When I fire up BOINC5/SETI, it connects and (usually) goes about its
business normally for a very short time. It crunches some, and uploads;
downloads a few more, ...then freezes *solid*. Have to do the
"4-second-wait *then* off" routine with the Big Red Button. I.e.:
hardware panic.

==>> I recall maybe, having been there before with BOINC5?

Inter alia in stdoutdae.txt:
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
,
,
2010-12-08 10:14:10 [***@home] Throughput 10026 bytes/sec
2010-12-08 10:14:10 [***@home] Finished upload of file
25mr10aa.5627.11519.14.10.160_0_0
2010-12-08 10:14:10 [***@home] Throughput 10116 bytes/sec
2010-12-08 10:14:10 [***@home] Started upload of file
27mr10aa.26539.197370.5.10.25_1_0
2010-12-08 10:14:10 [***@home] Started upload of file
25mr10aa.19039.9065.15.10.161_1_0
2010-12-08 10:14:13 [***@home] Finished upload of file
25mr10aa.19039.9065.15.10.161_1_0
2010-12-08 10:14:13 [***@home] Throughput 260 bytes/sec
2010-12-08 10:14:16 [***@home] Error on file upload: EOF on socket read
: asked for 16382, got 0
2010-12-08 10:14:16 [***@home] Temporarily failed upload of
27mr10aa.26539.197370.5.10.25_1_0: transient upload error
2010-12-08 10:14:16 [***@home] Backing off 1 minutes and 0 seconds on
upload of file 27mr10aa.26539.197370.5.10.25_1_0
2010-12-08 10:15:17 [***@home] Started upload of file
27mr10aa.26539.197370.5.10.25_1_0
2010-12-08 10:15:23 [***@home] Error on file upload: EOF on socket read
: asked for 16382, got 0
2010-12-08 10:15:23 [***@home] Temporarily failed upload of
27mr10aa.26539.197370.5.10.25_1_0: transient upload error
2010-12-08 10:15:23 [***@home] Backing off 1 minutes and 0 seconds on
upload of file 27mr10aa.26539.197370.5.10.25_1_0
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

NB especially the messages:
Error on file upload: EOF on socket read : asked for 16382, got 0
Temporarily failed upload of [WU name here] : transient upload error

I've never seen them before today.

But that's not causing the crash(es) I think, since the system continues
to work a short while before freezing. And it is *frozen* -- nothing
works, keyboard, video...

Any ideas? Pretty please?

Also, please what are the currently "good" versions of BOINC(5), SETI,
rexxrpc, and JBSWUmonitor *known* to work well together?

I envision starting from scratch, ...again. ;(

- Bill
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John Small
2010-12-09 12:01:50 UTC
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** Reply to message from WD Loughman <***@earthlink.net> on Wed, 08 Dec
2010 16:17:05 -0800
Post by WD Loughman
Also, please what are the currently "good" versions of BOINC(5), SETI,
rexxrpc, and JBSWUmonitor *known* to work well together?
For me...
Boinc5: boinc-5-4-9-b1.wpi plus the June 6 2006 update in boinc_clint.zip both
of which are available, I believe, at
:<http://web.os2power.com/yuri/download/seti2/boinc-5-4-9-b1.wpi> and
<http://web.os2power.com/yuri/download/seti2/boinc_clinet.zip>

Seti5:seti-5-13-0-b1.wpi
<http://web.os2power.com/yuri/download/seti2/seti-5-13-0-b1.wpi>

The latest version of my utilities, REXXRPC, JBSWU_MONITOR and BOINC_MONITOR,
should work well with both Boinc/Seti 6 and Boinc/Seti 5. (Exception: Some
functions of REXXRPC do not work with Boinc 6 (yet)) These programs are
available in the files section of this list.
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WD Loughman
2010-12-11 01:40:26 UTC
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Post by John Small
2010 16:17:05 -0800
Post by WD Loughman
Also, please what are the currently "good" versions of BOINC(5), SETI,
rexxrpc, and JBSWUmonitor *known* to work well together?
For me...
Boinc5: boinc-5-4-9-b1.wpi plus the June 6 2006 update in boinc_clint.zip both
of which are available, I believe, at
[ snip ]

Thanks John. Got 'em all, installed 'em all. Ran 'em all. *No change*
in BOINC5/SETI behavior - it/they freeze my machine after c.1-min of
running.

I'm at my wit's end.

Inter alia in my Config.Sys I have:
DLLBASING=OFF
EARLYMEMINIT=TRUE
PROCESSES=256
SWAPPATH=Q:\SWAPPER 2048 102400
THREADS=256
VIRTUALADDRESSLIMIT=2048
SET SHELLHANDLESINC=90

Would you tell me, please, what if any values you have for those directives?
...Or any others you may have tweaked on behalf of BOINC/SETI?

Also, please, would you tell me what are your BOINC account settings for
how much and how it uses your memory? ...Like:
Swap space use at most 25% for me at present
Memory use max percent when idle 5% "
Memory use max percent when in use 5% "

...and/or *anything* else you can think of?

I welcome input from others too. 'Cause I'm looking at my *last* trials.

* * * *

Apart from Seamonkey (*known* memory-leak; long-standing), I have *no*
problems of any sort with any other software. Even when, trying to run
BOINC/SETI, I tweak things in odd, uncommon and even bizarre ways.
Nothings works for SETI; *generally* doesn't hurt the rest.

At present - *now* - when I run SETI, it appears to work normally - briefly.
Indeed it does do WU downloads and so forth - whatever it wants - but
then in about one minute it freezes. No possibility to un-freeze or
make any recovery.
Only a "panic shutdown" of my machine works. Sometimes I must do
*two* such cold-boots, one immediately after the other, to get back to
normal. ...Weird. And never before in my experience.

That near-constant near-reliable "one minute" just has to be a clue.
But I can't find any way to improve matters.

I did have SETI running on this same machine under the eCS 2.0 'Silver'
release, so I guess it has to be eCS 2.0 GA that's my current problem.
Sad, but frankly no surprise. There are other problems; be warned.

My next try on SETI, with any new information, is my last try. *Way too
much* time spent already, to no avail.
IF with all fresh software, fresh settings, etc etc - I can't
get it running,
THEN it's a machine/OS incompatibility of some sort ?? And I give up.

- Bill
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Rodney Pont
2010-12-11 07:16:41 UTC
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Post by WD Loughman
Only a "panic shutdown" of my machine works. Sometimes I must do
*two* such cold-boots, one immediately after the other, to get back to
normal. ...Weird. And never before in my experience.
Have you considered hardware failure? What about cleaning out the CPU
heatsink? You could also download and run a Memtest86(+) bootdisk. Can
you get a Prime?? bootdisk (forgotten the numbers but it's a cpu stress
test).
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Christer Jacobsson
2010-12-11 12:18:56 UTC
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Post by WD Loughman
Post by John Small
2010 16:17:05 -0800
Post by WD Loughman
Also, please what are the currently "good" versions of BOINC(5), SETI,
rexxrpc, and JBSWUmonitor *known* to work well together?
For me...
Boinc5: boinc-5-4-9-b1.wpi plus the June 6 2006 update in boinc_clint.zip both
of which are available, I believe, at
[ snip ]
Thanks John. Got 'em all, installed 'em all. Ran 'em all. *No change*
in BOINC5/SETI behavior - it/they freeze my machine after c.1-min of
running.
I'm at my wit's end.
'Scuse me for jumping in here, but can somebody explain what the
directives below means/entails?
Post by WD Loughman
DLLBASING=OFF
What does this do?
Post by WD Loughman
EARLYMEMINIT=TRUE
What does this do? Pros and cons for using/not using this statement?
Post by WD Loughman
PROCESSES=256
Does it work under WSeB w/kernel 14.104 UNI? And how can I get a count
of how many processes the system runs?
Post by WD Loughman
SWAPPATH=Q:\SWAPPER 2048 102400
******

I have mine set at 524288 as I *know* I'm needing a big swap file
bacause my box only have 640Mib RAM in it. It can get upgraded to max
768Mib, but to do that I have to grab a 256Mib RAM module which MUST be
a DIMM 3.3V unbuffered ECC module which a speed of at least PC100 - a
PC133 module would also work fine here as my sidebus speed is 100MHz.
Post by WD Loughman
THREADS=256
How can I determine the number of threads the system is running?
Post by WD Loughman
VIRTUALADDRESSLIMIT=2048
Why the value 2048? Others have recommended 1536 instead here. Which
value is best?
Post by WD Loughman
SET SHELLHANDLESINC=90
And what does this statement do? And why the high number here? I have
mine set at 20.

It's really funny with other users in this list experiencing freezes in
BOINC/SETI (v6 or v5?): on my ten-year old warhorse - a Fujitsu-Siemens
Primergy D170 server w/ 800MHz P-III, 640Mib RAM and 3 SCSI hdd's -
Boinc/Seti v6 just now chomps happily away on a WU at the same time that
the Bovine RC5-74/OGR-NG client also are happily chomping away on it's
"work units" (I have set the Bovine client at prio Idle, delta 1 so it
will run at the same priority level as SETI does).


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WD Loughman
2010-12-11 21:43:44 UTC
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Post by Christer Jacobsson
Post by WD Loughman
Post by John Small
2010 16:17:05 -0800
Post by WD Loughman
Also, please what are the currently "good" versions of BOINC(5), SETI,
rexxrpc, and JBSWUmonitor *known* to work well together?
'Scuse me for jumping in here, but can somebody explain what the
directives below means/entails?
Post by WD Loughman
DLLBASING=OFF
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
=ON (default) or OFF

New setting in Warp Server for e-business

The dllbasing parameter prevents fragmentation of the shared
environment, allowing more efficient use of virtual memory. The
dllbasing parameter may be set to ON or to OFF. If dllbasing is set to
ON, then the system will attempt to honor the base addresses (preferred
load addresses) for DLLs. Honoring base addresses for DLLs is preferred
because it improves system performance for loading DLLs. However,
sometimes there is an interaction between the DLL basing and an
application's memory usage which will cause the system to run out of
private memory. In this case, you should set dllbasing to OFF so that
the system will ignore base addresses for DLLs. The system performance
for loading DLLs may degread marginally, but there will be more free
private memory.

<<=TIP=>> By Istvan Kovacs: ON: better general performance; OFF: more
private memory (just in case an app needs it)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Post by Christer Jacobsson
What does this do?
Post by WD Loughman
EARLYMEMINIT=TRUE
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
=TRUE

Setting used with kernel 14.062e or higher

will allow device drivers, etc.,

access to the memory above 16mb early in boot. Previously, this was only
available after DD and IFS init was completed. This has various
implications when enabled:

a) large VDISKs are possible. I tried DEVICE=\os2\vdisk.sys 16000
b) AHA154X.ADD may do bad things to your system. Don't even ask.
c) There may be some settings of HPFS386 cache that are incompatible.

<<=NOTE=>> This feature is experimental and may not work with later kernels
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Post by Christer Jacobsson
What does this do? Pros and cons for using/not using this statement?
Post by WD Loughman
PROCESSES=256
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
WDL sez:
I have this in my config.sys because eCS2.0 GA has a "kernel optimize"
function, with several modes. "PROCESSES" is one of the modes.
However, as I've noted before, in this case the optimizer has a Big
Bug and provides a number which the boot process resolutely rejects.
The number I use is selected on two criteria:
1. Searching the 'net provided a few clues, and
2. Trial/error gave me a number that lets me run huge programs:
Open Office, eg.
3. It seems to help.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Post by Christer Jacobsson
Does it work under WSeB w/kernel 14.104 UNI? And how can I get a count
of how many processes the system runs?
Post by WD Loughman
SWAPPATH=Q:\SWAPPER 2048 102400
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
=drive,path,mmm(in kb),nnn (in kb)

OS/2 can allocate more memory than it actually has available. It does
this by swapping memory to a hard disk file called SWAPPER.DAT.

Parameter:

mmm is a number from 512 to 32767 which specifies how large the
SWAPPER.DAT file can grow before it stops consuming hard disk space. The
size is stated in the negative. In other words, if you have the mmm set
to 512, then the SWAPPER.DAT file can grow until there is only 512k left
on your hard disk.

nnn is the starting size of the SWAPPER.DAT file.

<<=TIP=>> When your swap file grows beyond the initial size you have
specified, OS/2 starts to manage the swap file. This increased overhead
can negatively impact your systems performance. Therefore, if your swap
file always exceeds its initial size, consider increasing the files
initial size. For example, if your swap file usually grows to 8MB, set
the initial size of 8MB.

<<=TIP=>> As time progresses, OS/2 will gradually swap dormant code from
real RAM to the swap file. So if you tend to use a few programs for a
long period of time you will notice a gradual performance improvement.
Try and avoid application hopping

<<=TIP=>> Normal operation of OS/2 can involves considerable disk
activity as operating system functions are loaded and pages are moved in
and out of the swap file. Here are a couple of tips to improve
performance. (1) Consider dedicating a separate partition for the swap
file. This helps avoid fragmentation of the swap file, because other
files will not be added or deleted from the dedicated partition. (2) If
you have both FAT and HPFS partitions, put the swap file on the HPFS
partition to take advantage of the better performance of HPFS. (3) If
you have a system with two hard disk controllers, put the swap file on a
disk managed by the least used controller. (4) Keep your swap file on
the MOST used partition of the LEAST used hard drive.

<<=WARNING=>> Never put your swap file on a networked drive.

<<=NOTE=>> Your swap file will grow (in 1MB increments), but it also
shrinks when two conditions are met. One, when the amount of free space
in the swap file is greater than 1.5MB, the swap file will be compressed
during system idle time. (It will not shrink if there is a constant
"hit" on the drive by a program such as a swap file monitor.) Two,
during the compression, free space is moved to the end of the swap file.
When this free space at the end of the swap file exceeds 1MB, the swap
file will be shrunk.

<<=NOTE=>> See the discussion of the COMMIT parameter for the MEMMAN
config.sys line including the <<=TIP=>>.

<<=WARP NOTE=>> Your swap file in Warp will be larger than in earlier
versions of OS/2. This is normal. The most significant change that has
been made is how system DLL's get loaded and what is now valid data for
swapping. System DLL's include: DISPLAY, SOM, PMMERGE, PMWP, DOSCALL1,
PMATM, PMMLE, IBMDEV32, PMCTLS, PMSPL, IBMVGA32, PMGPI, and PMVIOP.

In the previous versions of OS/2, DLL code was never copied to the
swapper file. In WARP, code for system DLL's can be written to the
swapper file and, in addition, during boot, PMMERGE, DOSCALL1, PMGPI,
PMWP and PMVIOP will be swapped out. This means that there will be an
overall increase in swapper size. This was done to increase overall
system performance.

To control the size of the swap file use e.g. the FREE SmartBar by
Alessandro Rossi available at
http://www.os2world.com/os2place/smartbar/indexe.html
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Post by Christer Jacobsson
******
I have mine set at 524288 as I *know* I'm needing a big swap file
[ snip ]
Post by Christer Jacobsson
Post by WD Loughman
THREADS=256
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
=n (in numbers)

OS/2 programs can have several different processes running at the same
time. These are called threads. This command sets the maximum number of
threads (from 32 to 4095 in OS/2 2.x and from 64 to 4095 in Warp 3) that
OS/2 can run at the same time. If this command is not included in your
config.sys file, OS/2 will default to 64. Jim Gilliland commented on
what happens if OS/2 runs out of Threads: "If an application tries to
start a new thread, and OS/2 has all of its threads already in use, then
OS/2 will generate an error. It may result in a popup, or it may return
the error information to the application."

<<=TIP=>> If you have more than 8MB of RAM and run lots of OS/2 specific
programs, you may be able to improve system responsiveness by increasing
the number of threads. Why? Because well written OS/2 programs will use
threads to improve program performance. Therefore, the more well written
OS/2 programs in use, the more threads that could be needed. But still
keep in mind that this only holds true only when you are using a fair
number of OS/2 specific programs at the same time.

<<=SERVER NOTE=>> On a server it is generally considered better to have
512 threads.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Post by Christer Jacobsson
How can I determine the number of threads the system is running?
There are kinds of utilities "out there". "TOP" is one, and provides a
process killer as well.
Post by Christer Jacobsson
Post by WD Loughman
VIRTUALADDRESSLIMIT=2048
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
=n (in kb)

The default value for VIRTUALADDRESSLIMIT in OS/2 Warp Server for
e-business is 1 GB (=1024). The VIRTUALADDRESSLIMIT parameter is also
available for OS/2 Warp Server SMP Feature and Warp 4.0 Fixpak 13. Areas
of memory below 512 MB have been remapped for higher availability in
that region.

2048 allows max. memory allocated 2 Gigs of shared RAM. Only useful for
developers.

You must have a hard disk that can accommodate the swap file. UW2SCSIs
are recommended for the swap disk unless you wish to see your computer
behave like a washing machine in spin dry mode.

<<=NOTE=>> The OS/2 Warp Server Advanced SMP addendum states that this
number can go to 3 Gigs. Memory support has also been enhanced since now
an application can access a virtual memory address space of up to 3 GB
by use of the VIRTUALADDRESSLIMIT = 3072 parameter in CONFIG.SYS. Areas
of memory below 512 MB have been remapped for higher availability in
that region.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Post by Christer Jacobsson
Why the value 2048? Others have recommended 1536 instead here. Which
value is best?
Best? Don't know. Note that, per above, I could have made it even
larger. ...I've been experimenting.
Post by Christer Jacobsson
Post by WD Loughman
SET SHELLHANDLESINC=90
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
=n

This will increase the number of available filehandles, default 20, for
the SHELL process with the specified number 'n'.

This setting is also inherited by child-processes and can avoid some
out-of-handles errors.

<<=Note=>> This became more important because the later (Workplace)
shell keeps more handles open for its own use, leaving less for started
processes to open. This has caused problems in several compiler/build
environments.

<<=Note=>> Applying this line with n=20 solves the WSeB fix1 problem,
that 'unable to write OS2SYS.INI is displayed very couple of minutes
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Post by Christer Jacobsson
And what does this statement do? And why the high number here? I have
mine set at 20.
The big number is "on prospect". One of Yurio Dario's old pages
mentioned it as a help in getting BlueCad to run at all.

Remember, I'm having trouble running a program, BOINC/SETI, for which
the issues appears to be Shared Memory. How it's used, and by whom.
The *best* evidence I have is SETI runs out of resources (memory) and
freezes. That's why I'm tuning memory-related items in Config.Sys.
It's my *only* reason for fussing with it.

So far nothing has helped -- which is why I'm wondering what others
might use. Clutching at straws.

NB: Except for *my* one obvious comment, all these answers to your
questions come from the database included in ConfigTool130.zip and
updates. "Oldie but a Goodie"; still useful. Has a Swedish language
pack too. ;)
Post by Christer Jacobsson
It's really funny with other users in this list experiencing freezes in
BOINC/SETI (v6 or v5?): on my ten-year old warhorse - a Fujitsu-Siemens
Primergy D170 server w/ 800MHz P-III, 640Mib RAM and 3 SCSI hdd's -
[ snip ]

Yeah, well... newer systems (mine) obviously aren't always better.

The "new" SETI ("enhanced"? - BOINC5, BOINC6), isn't working on this
"new" machine, new OS -- whereas the "old" SETI ran just fine. *Same
machine* (but eCS2.0 b7 'Silver')!

- Bill
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Christer Jacobsson
2010-12-12 16:26:35 UTC
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Post by WD Loughman
Post by Christer Jacobsson
Post by WD Loughman
Post by John Small
2010 16:17:05 -0800
Post by WD Loughman
Also, please what are the currently "good" versions of BOINC(5), SETI,
rexxrpc, and JBSWUmonitor *known* to work well together?
'Scuse me for jumping in here, but can somebody explain what the
directives below means/entails?
Post by WD Loughman
DLLBASING=OFF
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
I have it set to OFF.
Post by WD Loughman
Post by Christer Jacobsson
What does this do?
Post by WD Loughman
EARLYMEMINIT=TRUE
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
=TRUE
Setting used with kernel 14.062e or higher
will allow device drivers, etc.,
access to the memory above 16mb early in boot. Previously, this was only
available after DD and IFS init was completed. This has various
a) large VDISKs are possible. I tried DEVICE=\os2\vdisk.sys 16000
b) AHA154X.ADD may do bad things to your system. Don't even ask.
c) There may be some settings of HPFS386 cache that are incompatible.
<<=NOTE=>> This feature is experimental and may not work with later kernels
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
When I tried setting EARLYMEMINIT=TRUE, the boot process yelled that it
couldn't load the HPFS386 IFS. My setting for the heap and cache in the
hpfs386.ini are 'useallmem=yes', 'maxheap=4096' and 'cache=8192'. I had
a much bigger cache when first trying EARLYMEMINIT=TRUE, but that barfed
so I set the cache down to 8192 and the boot still barfs with the
message that it couldn't load the HPFS386.IFS. So I switched back to
EARLYMEMINIT=FALES.
Post by WD Loughman
Post by Christer Jacobsson
Post by WD Loughman
THREADS=256
This I have set to 1024.
Post by WD Loughman
Post by Christer Jacobsson
How can I determine the number of threads the system is running?
There are kinds of utilities "out there". "TOP" is one, and provides a
process killer as well.
As I haven't installed the eCs 2.0GA yet, where can I get this TOP
program? On hobbes there exist a program called top211.zip, dated
2006-09-16 which is described as a 'VIO appllication to monitor CPU
usage by process'. Is the top211.zip the same TOP we are talking about here?
Post by WD Loughman
Post by Christer Jacobsson
Post by WD Loughman
VIRTUALADDRESSLIMIT=2048
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
=n (in kb)
The default value for VIRTUALADDRESSLIMIT in OS/2 Warp Server for
e-business is 1 GB (=1024). The VIRTUALADDRESSLIMIT parameter is also
available for OS/2 Warp Server SMP Feature and Warp 4.0 Fixpak 13. Areas
of memory below 512 MB have been remapped for higher availability in
that region.
2048 allows max. memory allocated 2 Gigs of shared RAM. Only useful for
developers.
You must have a hard disk that can accommodate the swap file. UW2SCSIs
are recommended for the swap disk unless you wish to see your computer
behave like a washing machine in spin dry mode.
<<=NOTE=>> The OS/2 Warp Server Advanced SMP addendum states that this
number can go to 3 Gigs. Memory support has also been enhanced since now
an application can access a virtual memory address space of up to 3 GB
by use of the VIRTUALADDRESSLIMIT = 3072 parameter in CONFIG.SYS. Areas
of memory below 512 MB have been remapped for higher availability in
that region.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Post by Christer Jacobsson
Why the value 2048? Others have recommended 1536 instead here. Which
value is best?
Best? Don't know. Note that, per above, I could have made it even
larger. ...I've been experimenting.
Suppose I change the VIRTUALADRESSLIMIT from 2048 to 4096? How will that
affect system and memory performance?
Post by WD Loughman
Post by Christer Jacobsson
Post by WD Loughman
SET SHELLHANDLESINC=90
Remember, I'm having trouble running a program, BOINC/SETI, for which
the issues appears to be Shared Memory. How it's used, and by whom.
The *best* evidence I have is SETI runs out of resources (memory) and
freezes. That's why I'm tuning memory-related items in Config.Sys.
It's my *only* reason for fussing with it.
I've pushed the value for SHELLHANDLESINC to 90 now.
Post by WD Loughman
So far nothing has helped -- which is why I'm wondering what others
might use. Clutching at straws.
NB: Except for *my* one obvious comment, all these answers to your
questions come from the database included in ConfigTool130.zip and
updates. "Oldie but a Goodie"; still useful. Has a Swedish language
pack too. ;)
Is this Configtool1130.zip the same as the cfgtool1130.zip, dated
2002-12-03 found on hobbes? There are also two files called
cfgtoolupd1.zip and cfgtoolupd2.zip on hobbes. Should I download thie
package, install it and updating it with the two updates mentioned above?
Post by WD Loughman
Post by Christer Jacobsson
It's really funny with other users in this list experiencing freezes in
BOINC/SETI (v6 or v5?): on my ten-year old warhorse - a Fujitsu-Siemens
Primergy D170 server w/ 800MHz P-III, 640Mib RAM and 3 SCSI hdd's -
[ snip ]
Yeah, well... newer systems (mine) obviously aren't always better.
When I'm able to buy a mew box, I will go for a server machine, probably
a Fujitsu-Siemens box, as I'm very satisfied with the current server, a
Primergy D170 which is ten years old now and just spinning around with
no fuss or muss. It having SCSI Hdd's is a huge bonus, first because
SCSI HD's don't load the system down with disk I/O's: the SCSI
controller takes care of that, AND it runs my HP StorageWorks 36/72Gib
DAT tape backup device as well, and second, SCSI disks seems to have a
VERY long lifetime: my first two 8.4Gib Hd's runs as a charm and my
third SCSI HD, an 80Gib Fujitsu also run as sweet as you can wish. I
have NEVER had any hiccups from the HDD's or the SCSI controller in all
the years this server has been running 24/7. The only significant
additition to the box is the insertion of a Belkin 5-port USB v2.0 card
which I did a month ago. Nice to have for the future if I want to plug
in my blood glucose meter and sending over data from it to the diabetes
management unit at my hospital here in Unea. But the flip side of this
is that I must boot into W*nStupid to run the software for the meter as
it's a W*nXP program, but I can live with that: booting into W*nXP once
a month to send over the data is not a very onerous task :-). The card
will also come in handy when my current printer, a Xerox Phaser 6120 PS
printer jacked into the LPT1 port goes west and I have to buy a new
printer which will in all probability lack a LPT1 connector but will
only have USB and/or network connection to the computer. When I bought
this printer I hadn't the USB card installed and the box have only USB
v1.x, not v2.0, so it would have been impossible to to connect an USB
printer directly to the box. That's why I chose the Phaser 6120 PS
printr: it can be connected via LPT, USB or network connection.


Cul8er alligator!
gaea - feminist & chunkawakan
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WD Loughman
2010-12-12 22:55:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by Christer Jacobsson
Post by WD Loughman
Post by Christer Jacobsson
Post by WD Loughman
Post by John Small
2010 16:17:05 -0800
Post by WD Loughman
Also, please what are the currently "good" versions of BOINC(5), SETI,
rexxrpc, and JBSWUmonitor *known* to work well together?
'Scuse me for jumping in here, but can somebody explain what the
directives below means/entails?
[ snip ]
Post by Christer Jacobsson
Post by WD Loughman
Post by Christer Jacobsson
Post by WD Loughman
EARLYMEMINIT=TRUE
[ snip ]
Post by Christer Jacobsson
When I tried setting EARLYMEMINIT=TRUE, the boot process yelled that it
couldn't load the HPFS386 IFS.
I forgot you used HPFS386. Some "normal" directives don't work with that.

[ snip ]
Post by Christer Jacobsson
Post by WD Loughman
Post by Christer Jacobsson
Post by WD Loughman
THREADS=256
This I have set to 1024.
Thank you. I'll try that. It will further diminish my shared memory, a
little, but mechanistically... might help.
Post by Christer Jacobsson
Post by WD Loughman
Post by Christer Jacobsson
How can I determine the number of threads the system is running?
There are kinds of utilities "out there". "TOP" is one, and provides a
process killer as well.
As I haven't installed the eCs 2.0GA yet, where can I get this TOP
program? On hobbes there exist a program called top211.zip, dated
2006-09-16 which is described as a 'VIO appllication to monitor CPU
usage by process'. Is the top211.zip the same TOP we are talking about here?
Yes. That's the one I'm using.
Post by Christer Jacobsson
Post by WD Loughman
Post by Christer Jacobsson
Post by WD Loughman
VIRTUALADDRESSLIMIT=2048
[ snip ]
Post by Christer Jacobsson
Post by WD Loughman
<<=NOTE=>> The OS/2 Warp Server Advanced SMP addendum states that this
number can go to 3 Gigs. Memory support has also been enhanced since now
an application can access a virtual memory address space of up to 3 GB
by use of the VIRTUALADDRESSLIMIT = 3072 parameter in CONFIG.SYS. Areas
of memory below 512 MB have been remapped for higher availability in
that region.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Post by Christer Jacobsson
Why the value 2048? Others have recommended 1536 instead here. Which
value is best?
Best? Don't know. Note that, per above, I could have made it even
larger. ...I've been experimenting.
Suppose I change the VIRTUALADRESSLIMIT from 2048 to 4096? How will that
affect system and memory performance?
[ snip ]

I don't know. The advice above: "virtual memory address space of *up
to* 3 GB", sounds to me like a limiting *maximum* of 3 GB.
Post by Christer Jacobsson
Post by WD Loughman
NB: Except for *my* one obvious comment, all these answers to your
questions come from the database included in ConfigTool130.zip and
updates. "Oldie but a Goodie"; still useful. Has a Swedish language
pack too. ;)
Is this Configtool1130.zip the same as the cfgtool1130.zip, dated
2002-12-03 found on hobbes? There are also two files called
cfgtoolupd1.zip and cfgtoolupd2.zip on hobbes. Should I download thie
package, install it and updating it with the two updates mentioned above?
Mine is the one from Hobbes. The "package" is the entire program with a
(replaceable) database. The updates will replace the database with a
newer one. Cfgtoolupd2.zip is the last available, I believe - but
haven't verified.

Thanks Crister for your responses.

- Bill
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http://home.earthlink.net/~wdloughman/wdl.htm


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Bob
2010-12-08 22:24:15 UTC
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** Reply to message from "Rodney Pont yhlisto4-at-infohit.me.uk" on Wed, 08 Dec
2010 09:26:51 +0000 (GMT)
Post by Rodney Pont
Seti is generating new workunits. According to the web status page it's
generating 13 a minute. The clients normally run about 3 million so
there is some time needed for everyone to get what they want, about 3
days according to my maths.
I have BOINC v6 and it is not trying to download work but an exe file.

Any ideas on what I need to do to get this working?

Here is my log.

08-Dec-2010 14:10:37 [---] Starting BOINC client version 6.6.29 for
i386-pc-os2-emx
08-Dec-2010 14:10:37 [---] This a development version of BOINC and may not
function properly
08-Dec-2010 14:10:37 [---] log flags: task, file_xfer, sched_ops
08-Dec-2010 14:10:37 [---] Libraries: libcurl/7.19.4 OpenSSL/0.9.8e zlib/1.1.4
08-Dec-2010 14:10:37 [---] Data directory: E:/PROGRAMS/boinc6/BIN
08-Dec-2010 14:10:38 [***@home] Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform
08-Dec-2010 14:10:38 [---] Processor: 1 Intel Corp. Intel(R) Pentium(R) III CPU
family 1133MHz
08-Dec-2010 14:10:38 [---] Processor features: [fpu mmx sse]
08-Dec-2010 14:10:38 [---] OS: OS/2: 2.45
08-Dec-2010 14:10:38 [---] Memory: 895.49 MB physical, 1.06 GB virtual
08-Dec-2010 14:10:38 [---] Disk: 6.83 GB total, 5.11 GB free
08-Dec-2010 14:10:38 [---] Local time is UTC -8 hours
08-Dec-2010 14:10:38 [---] Can't load library cudart.dll
08-Dec-2010 14:10:38 [---] No coprocessors
08-Dec-2010 14:10:38 [---] [error] Deleting file
setiathome-6.10.i386-pc-os2-emx.exe while in use
08-Dec-2010 14:10:38 [---] Not using a proxy
08-Dec-2010 14:10:39 [***@home] URL: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/; Computer
ID: 5634111; location: (none); project prefs: default
08-Dec-2010 14:10:39 [***@home] General prefs: from ***@home (last modified
19-Nov-2010 13:41:46)
08-Dec-2010 14:10:39 [***@home] Host location: none
08-Dec-2010 14:10:39 [***@home] General prefs: using your defaults
08-Dec-2010 14:10:39 [---] Preferences limit memory usage when active to
716.39MB
08-Dec-2010 14:10:39 [---] Preferences limit memory usage when idle to 895.49MB
08-Dec-2010 14:10:39 [---] Preferences limit disk usage to 5.02GB
08-Dec-2010 14:10:39 [---] file
projects/setiathome.berkeley.edu/setiathome-6.10.i386-pc-os2-emx.exe not found
08-Dec-2010 14:10:39 [---] [error] No URL for file transfer of
setiathome-6.10.i386-pc-os2-emx.exe
08-Dec-2010 14:10:40 [***@home] Backing off 1 min 0 sec on download of
setiathome-6.10.i386-pc-os2-emx.exe


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Bob
2010-12-08 23:16:49 UTC
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** Reply to message from "Bob rv2jqb0001-at-sneakemail.com" on Wed, 8 Dec 2010
14:24:15 -0800
Post by Bob
I have BOINC v6 and it is not trying to download work but an exe file.
I think I have got that solved, I reinstalled. Now I am getting

08-Dec-2010 15:07:32 [***@home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
08-Dec-2010 15:07:32 [***@home] Message from server: _("This project doesn't
support computers of type") i386-pc-os2-emx

Is the error the reason I am not getting work units?


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Rodney Pont
2010-12-09 07:19:41 UTC
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Post by Bob
I think I have got that solved, I reinstalled. Now I am getting
support computers of type") i386-pc-os2-emx
Is the error the reason I am not getting work units?
I think so. In your previous post the log said it found app_info.xml,
did it find it this time?

Can you post a list of the files in E:/PROGRAMS/boinc6/BIN.
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Bob
2010-12-09 07:55:57 UTC
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** Reply to message from "Rodney Pont yhlisto4-at-infohit.me.uk" on Thu, 09 Dec
2010 07:19:41 +0000 (GMT)
Post by Rodney Pont
Post by Bob
I think I have got that solved, I reinstalled. Now I am getting
support computers of type") i386-pc-os2-emx
Is the error the reason I am not getting work units?
I think so. In your previous post the log said it found app_info.xml,
did it find it this time?
Yes
Post by Rodney Pont
Can you post a list of the files in E:/PROGRAMS/boinc6/BIN.
account_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml
all_projects_list.xml
astropulse-4.28.i386-pc-os2-emx.exe
bc.cmd
boinc.ico
boinc1.ico
boincstat.exe
boinc_app.ico
boinc_client.exe
boinc_client2.ico
boinc_cmd.exe
ClassicalDynamics.ico
ClassicalDynamics_i386-pc-os2-emx.exe
clean.cmd
client_state.xml
cp.exe
crypt_prog.exe
egrep.exe
einsteinbinary_S5R3_3.05_i386-pc-os2-emx.exe
Garli0.96b8_0.18.i386-pc-os2-emx.exe
get_current_version.xml
global_prefs.xml
gui_rpc_auth.cfg
job_log_setiathome.berkeley.edu.txt
ksh.exe
leidenclassical.cmd
lockfile
lookup_account.xml
lookup_website.html
master_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml
milkyway.cmd
milkyway_0.18.i386-pc-os2-emx.exe
projects
rm.exe
sched_reply_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml
sched_request_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml
setiathome-6.10.i386-pc-os2-emx.exe
setiathome-6.10.i386-pc-os2-emx_fftw3f.exe
setiathome.cmd
SETI_app.ico
slots
statistics_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml
stderrdae.txt
stdoutdae.txt
switcher.exe
time_stats_log


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Rodney Pont
2010-12-09 08:27:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rodney Pont
Can you post a list of the files in E:/PROGRAMS/boinc6/BIN.
That looks to be ok. What about
boinc6\bin\projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu
I have the below in there. If you have any missing you can copy them
from boinc6/bin.

3-08-10 10:27a 1,400 226 ---- app_info.xml
11-07-10 6:09a 52,779 124 ---- arecibo_181.png
11-07-10 6:09a 2,536 124 ---- sah_40.png
11-07-10 6:09a 25,488 124 ---- sah_banner_290.png
11-07-10 6:09a 35,399 124 ---- sah_ss_290.png
5-05-09 5:20p 1,523,716 1,417 ----
setiathome-6.10.i386-pc-os2-emx.exe
1-05-09 7:48p 1,519,620 1,424 ----
setiathome-6.10.i386-pc-os2-emx_fftw3f.exe
9-12-10 8:17a 71 124 a---
slideshow_setiathome_enhanced_00
9-12-10 8:17a 72 124 a---
slideshow_setiathome_enhanced_01
9-12-10 8:17a 75 124 a---
slideshow_setiathome_enhanced_02
9-12-10 8:17a 67 124 a--- stat_icon

Have you edited client_state.xml in boinc6\bin and changed
<min_rpc_time>0.000000</min_rpc_time> under the ***@Home project so
that it is zero. You need to stop Boinc, edit it and then restart
boinc.
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John Small
2010-12-09 11:51:32 UTC
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** Reply to message from "Rodney Pont" <***@infohit.me.uk> on Thu, 09 Dec
2010 08:27:24 +0000 (GMT)
Post by Rodney Pont
Post by Rodney Pont
Can you post a list of the files in E:/PROGRAMS/boinc6/BIN.
That looks to be ok. What about
boinc6\bin\projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu
I have the below in there. If you have any missing you can copy them
from boinc6/bin.
3-08-10 10:27a 1,400 226 ---- app_info.xml
11-07-10 6:09a 52,779 124 ---- arecibo_181.png
11-07-10 6:09a 2,536 124 ---- sah_40.png
11-07-10 6:09a 25,488 124 ---- sah_banner_290.png
11-07-10 6:09a 35,399 124 ---- sah_ss_290.png
5-05-09 5:20p 1,523,716 1,417 ----
setiathome-6.10.i386-pc-os2-emx.exe
1-05-09 7:48p 1,519,620 1,424 ----
setiathome-6.10.i386-pc-os2-emx_fftw3f.exe
9-12-10 8:17a 71 124 a---
slideshow_setiathome_enhanced_00
9-12-10 8:17a 72 124 a---
slideshow_setiathome_enhanced_01
9-12-10 8:17a 75 124 a---
slideshow_setiathome_enhanced_02
9-12-10 8:17a 67 124 a--- stat_icon
FWIW: I have three identical files named setiathome-6.10.i386-pc-os2-emx.exe.
They are located in...
1) Boinc's bin subdirectory
2) Boinc's bin\projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu subdirectory
3) Boinc's bin\slots\0 subdirectory

Strangely, I also found Boinc/Seti v5.x's seti_boinc.exe in Boinc 6.x's
bin\projects\setiathome.berkely.edu subdirectory!? How it got there I do not
know/remember. It is not included in the ZIP file.
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Bob
2010-12-10 04:42:44 UTC
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** Reply to message from "Rodney Pont yhlisto4-at-infohit.me.uk" on Thu, 09 Dec
2010 08:27:24 +0000 (GMT)
Post by Rodney Pont
Have you edited client_state.xml in boinc6\bin and changed
that it is zero. You need to stop Boinc, edit it and then restart
boinc.
Several times but I don't know if I did it after the last install but which
appears I did not.

I needed to reboot the system and when seti started it is now running normally
and getting work.


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Rodney Pont
2010-12-09 12:07:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Small
FWIW: I have three identical files named setiathome-6.10.i386-pc-os2-emx.exe.
They are located in...
1) Boinc's bin subdirectory
2) Boinc's bin\projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu subdirectory
3) Boinc's bin\slots\0 subdirectory
The seti exe is also in my slots 0-3 directories and I also have the
milkyway exe in slots\5. It looks as though it copies the exe into the
slot it puts a workunit while it processes it. Since I don't have a
slot\4 at the moment I assume it removes the slot once the work is
completed.

I don't have a seti v5 exe in my seti 6 heirachy anywhere.
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WD Loughman
2010-12-11 09:43:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rodney Pont
Post by WD Loughman
Only a "panic shutdown" of my machine works. Sometimes I must do
This only happens with the current BOINC/SETI. Even Seamonkey
(Mozilla+Firefox, really) memory-leaks usually I can "cure" with <ctl-esc>.
Post by Rodney Pont
Post by WD Loughman
*two* such cold-boots, one immediately after the other, to get back to
normal. ...Weird. And never before in my experience.
*That* little gem *never* has happened to me before. Again, only with
BOINC/SETI.
Post by Rodney Pont
Have you considered hardware failure?
Yes; oh my yes. First thing, with that gem above. And of course I
can't rule it out, really.
Post by Rodney Pont
What about cleaning out the CPU heatsink?
I keep my machines in top shape; clean 'em religiously. Even strong
vacuum and pipe-cleaners in the heat-sink slots. Also, I cleaned
everything and replaced the air filters 5-6 weeks ago.
Post by Rodney Pont
You could also download and run a Memtest86(+) bootdisk.
I have that, and others. All indications are good memory (and HDDs -
via SMART).
Post by Rodney Pont
Can you get a Prime?? bootdisk (forgotten the numbers but it's a cpu stress
test).
I don't know Prime. Oh - I just looked: The Mersenne thing.
Just now downloaded an OS/2 and Linux version -- both. I do have
other stressers, and my military son brought one when he visited the
week I changed the filters. My system got a clean bill-of-health.

You've *no idea* the hoops I've been jumping through - trying to pin
down this BOINC/SETI thing. Tomorrow or Sunday I plan a new install of
eCS 2.0 GA. Parallel to my current setup, not a replacement, ...yet

Thanks Rodney, very much(!) for your interest and suggestions.

- Bill
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WD "Bill" Loughman - Berkeley, California USA
http://home.earthlink.net/~wdloughman/wdl.htm


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